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Rebecca Hb. ([personal profile] beckyh2112) wrote2011-12-15 06:39 pm

Livejournal to do away with subject line in comments

Originally posted by [ profile] anatsuno at Livejournal to do away with subject line in comments
Originally posted by [ profile] heeroluva at Livejournal to do away with subject line in comments
FYI I did not translate this (found it on an anon comm), but I ran the original through Google translate and it's correct.

[ profile] igrick, dude in charge of lj design, has posted the following today:

New LJ. Step one: comments.

Folks, as the first step of a major design change me and Tyoma (lj user tema) were talking about we've rolled out the new comments system onto the beta-testing servers. I wanted to say "rolled out the new design" but it's really is a completely new system, not a simple design change. It's only available to beta-users for now (you can become one by joining the[info] lj_ru_beta community and enabling beta-mode here) and to journals that have default commenting design enabled (like mine does).

Better see once than read this text a hundred times, but I'm going to talk about my impressions and major changes anyway.

- new comments can be added without page reload;
- comments could be posted by pressing ctrl+enter shortcut - this is genius;
- comments no longer have Subject field and this is non-negotiable;
- mass comment actions are made simpler: you only need to select one comment and you'll see the actions panel (we'll add more options later);
- marking new comments option - the juiciest part for people who get many of them. It's very simple: adds "new" mark to comments that were added since you've last visited the page. I've got a new habit because of it: I open the comments page, mark the first comment, select "mark all" and "collapse all" and then scroll down looking for new comments which I then expand and reply to. That means that all new comments get replies in one go without page being refreshed. Then I refresh the page and repeat the process. It's much more useful for me than email because I get a lot of comments.

- Because of the new method of selecting userpics I've started using them more.
- It's much easier to add a link, a picture or a video into a comment (we'll add selecting/adding to and from the ScrapBook).
- All actions are now animated and that looks much nicer.

And many other nice things. Anyway, if you're interested - try out the beta-mode, discuss, criticize, suggest.

My thoughts:
So I'm definitely not thrilled with this. The whole removal of subject lines will totally mess up kink/comment memes/comms. I kind of foresee a mass migration to Dreamwidth.

Going through the comments people don't seem happy. In one reply [ profile] igrick says that less than 1% of commenters use the subject line, the person resorts by asking for backing for that statistic and what about the communities that rely heavily on the use of subjects, and then igrick says I already gave you the statistic... Also is seems like this will affect ALL PREVIOUS COMMENTS not just new ones. Taking a moment to consider email notifications, if you're following a post with a lot of comments that would have previously been separated by subject, there will now be no way to differentiate them in emails because of the lack of a subject line.

It seems like the site is being pushed to be like facebook. If I wanted to use facebook I'd be there... seeing as this isn't facebook I don't want it to work like it. Comments also say that with this system the page loads slower than refreshing upon the addition of a comment (as if LJ wasn't slow enough already). The addition of animations and transitions will not make this browser friendly and will significantly hinder people with slower computers... As someone that normally has dozens of LJ tabs open at a time and a browser that uses too much memory as it is, this does not seem like a good thing.

Oh look and we have some English comments popping up that show how much igrick doesn't care:
Commenter: It is absolutely unacceptable to remove subject lines. You can say goodbye to fandom if you implement that.
igrick: Is it just a copy-past from some other place, or your thoughts?

Commenter: Why are subject lines being removed? Please explain.
igrick: Just because of 99% of comments have no subject and displayed as "no subject" in threads. It is not make sense to have a subject for comment.

Do the 99% that don't use subjects really care? Does it offend them in some way? Does it inconvenience them to see it? So the 1% don't matter? The hundreds of communities that have hundreds of thousands of posts where subject lines are immensely important don't matter? Yes, this is most likely to effect fandom communities, but if a mass exodus of fandom communities happens, the individuals are likely to follow. If this is implemented (without the option to opt out) it will not be a good thing for LJ's fannish userbase.

Can we please stop fixing stuff that's not broken?

ETA: So it seems since shit has hit the proverbial fan on igrick's journal, he added: "By the way — for the moment, and nearest half a year or even a year, we talking only about S1 commenting page. Journal, where comments are in design of journal, still will have subject lines both in commenting form and threads." Then someone asks "Does it mean that after that 'half a year or even a year' the same changes will come to journal designs as well?" and he replies "I can't tell definitely now, but probably yes. As well as probably now. It depends on many things, especially on how S2, as system to design journal, will be developed." So this won't affect the majority in the near future but still...

Also if you're going to post on his journal, he can't see subjects.

(I - anatsuno - haven't edited the post at all bc I think it's a good read on its own. TBH, because my main residence is already Dth, I'm mostly worried about this retroactive nonsense. If the hundred thousands of older comments with subjects find themselves subject-less I'm afraid it'll make a lot of fandom unnavigable. I'm really freaked out by this.

And, since a twitter discussion about this yesterday turned into 'But Dreamwidth is not friendly because they don't have free accounts unless you know someone and find a code', let me remind you that there's a code-swap community where you don't even need to *ask* for a code, and can just grab those that are posted:
Even older entries are full of unused codes up for grabs. Most of the people I know post once or twice a year to their Dreamwidth journal to offer the invites they have, and no one takes them...

Also, just a note: if kink_memes want to move to DW (longer post & comment limits!), since everyone's playing anon, prompters & fillers won't even need accounts, anyway. (Not to mention that anon prompt memes are coming to the AO3 also, woo).

This reminds me that I should probably import all I can of Hollyweirdos into DW journals... I've been hesitating for a while but I really need to look into it. /note to self.

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 01:12 am (UTC)(link)
It kind of makes you want to slap their hands away from the controls and go "No!", doesn't it?

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah.

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 10:36 am (UTC)(link)
If this is still beta, doesn't that mean that it's not officially decided yet? Considering that's the whole POINT of a beta test.

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I've always been under the impression beta tests are for working out bugs in new code. I'm also not really following what the point of your comment is?

[identity profile] 2011-12-17 01:51 am (UTC)(link)
And for implementing ideas that may not exist in the final release. It's a test run, basically, and not everything that's in a beta is official for release.

That's my point--that if it's in a beta, it may not be the way things end up.

[identity profile] 2011-12-17 01:59 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. We're trying to discourage it from being something they carry through to the live version. That's why people are making posts to let people know it's happening.

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 12:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. Failing to understand why they'd make that change. Can't see the benefit. :/9

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
As near as I can determine from browsing the comments, [ profile] igrick doesn't like the way you get (no subject) in empty subject lines when threads collapse.


[identity profile] 2011-12-16 03:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I have no idea what they hope to achieve with this. Many kink memes are going to become impossible to navigate because all the relevant information is in the subject line.

[identity profile] 2011-12-16 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think they're hoping to achieve more of us leaving, but I suspect they will. Seriously, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.